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Hamas - If we can kill them, we can talk to them
By Bradley Burston, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: Israel, Hamas, peace process 
 

Call their bluff.

Hamas this week inched one notch further toward some form of accommodation with a reality it cannot bring itself to stomach. Israel should do no less.

In an open letter to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Ahmed Youssef, senior political advisor to Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, wrote at the weekend that the Bush administration cannot at once "preach about exporting democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan and ignore the democratic process in Palestine."

"Many people make the mistake of presuming that we have some ideological aversion to making peace," continued Youssef. "Quite the opposite; we have consistently offered dialogue with the U.S. and the E.U. to try and resolve the very issues that you are trying to deal with in Annapolis."

Youssef, you may remember, wrote in a New York Times article a year ago that "Hamas proposes a long-term truce during which the Israeli and Palestinian peoples can try to negotiate a lasting peace."

There is little doubt that Hamas is under mounting and unprecedented pressure. A half year after a civil war with Fatah undermined bedrock assumptions of Palestinian society and its belief in a unified Palestinian people, Gazans are beginning to blame Hamas for an unlivable reality in the Strip.

In fact, there is a war going on within Hamas at present. The armed wing and political hardliners like Mahmoud Zahar have been in ascendancy of late. Pressure for escalation against Israel as mounted, as air strike after airstrike has killed Hamas gunmen and mortar crews in the field.

At the same time, relative moderates like Youssef and ex-Haniyeh spokesman Ghazi Hamad - who has criticized Hamas' violent takeover of Gaza and called for negotiations with Israel - have been pressured and silenced by the hardliners.

All in all, a grim trend. Some Israelis have taken a cruel comfort in the knowledge that the disaster-area state of the Palestinian economy is, to some extent, turning the population against Hamas. It is not, however, turning anyone in Gaza toward a changed opinion of Israel.

If Israel's goal is to eradicate Hamas, it can forget it. Hamas, and the religious-political ideology it spearheads, is a fact in Palestinian society, not some pest that can be eradicated with the application of force, however overwhelming.

Hamas is stricken, but it is not about to crumble. With its strongest founding leaders dead at the hands of Israeli aircraft, the movement is engaged in an internal upheaval the likes of which it has never experienced.

We can affect that process. Until now, our sole effect, after 20 years of determined work, is to fortify Hamas, to play into its hands, to keep it strong and help it get stronger.

It is time for Israel to try something new. Something that requires more courage than long-distance assassination and the obsessive use of the word no.

As we have seen with our once-arch enemy Egypt, and our longtime enemy Syria, if you can kill them, you can talk with them.

In a September opinion piece published in Haaretz, Youssef wrote, "Allowing Hamas to participate in the Palestinian political process will encourage the growth and development of pragmatic ideas and instruments of political action. It will also allow tolerance and respect for pluralism and diversity to strike root in Palestinian political culture.

"The West should ask itself whether it wants the moderation and realism of Hamas or the dogmatism of radical groups that subscribe to the clash of civilizations theory."

To Western ears, to Jewish ears, Youssef's words may sound mendacious, the notion of engaging Hamas in any sense, insane.

But organizations change over time. At this point, the Likud has done more for the cause of Palestinian nationhood than many Palestinian nationalists. At this point, senior officials of the Palestine Liberation Organization are among the most moderate and pragmatic Arab voices pushing for an eventual two-state solution.

There is no reason for Israel, at this point, to trust Hamas. Nor is there any good reason for Hamas to trust Israel. But this is the Middle East, where elaborate bargaining mechanisms have evolved over thousands of years specifically to meet the needs of parties which cannot stomach one another, nor trust them as far as they can throw them.

Hamas is wounded, but it is not going anywhere. At the outset of the intifada, there were many in the radical Palestinian camp who believed that if Israel were wounded, it would simply fold and go away. It is not going anywhere either.

We've tried everything we had to eliminate them. They've done everything they could to return the favor. They've gone so far as to send us human bombs, which, in the end, damaged their own cause. There are those among us who say that only a massive invasion of Gaza can stop the Qassams. Many of these are the same people who yearn for a return to settlements in Gaza.

Either way, they can forget it. The Qassams will continue unless and until we engage Hamas in talks over a cease-fire, the first step in a process that may take generations - mutual recognition of Israel and Palestine.

The Palestinians are coming to realize that they have destroyed their own national movement in a way that Israel could only dream of doing. The voices in Hamas that call for moderation are an indication not that Hamas people are liars, but that they are searching for a way out of a trap they themselves never anticipated. Hamas was not prepared for governance any more than Palestine was ready for independence.

This is the Middle East, where Israelis are taught from a tender age this advice regarding potential adversaries: "Respect them, but suspect them." In the case of Hamas, the time has come to reverse the admonition. Suspicion is the default setting. Respect is what is lacking. Suspect them, yes, but respect them.

It requires courage to explore this opportunity, a supreme act of bravery in Israel - the courage to explore the fearsome possibility of a change of course.

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  1.   SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL FOR HAMAS 13:52  |  Alon normali b 10/12/07
  2.   Hamas Was Already Part Of The Process And Blew It 14:16  |  dyinglikeflies 10/12/07
  3.   They`re saying the pressure is getting to them 14:32  |  Israeli 10/12/07
  4.   Hallelu Yah! Mode Ani Adonai. This is what is to be expected when 14:36  |  Virginia 10/12/07
  5.   I you can kill them you can talk to them.... 14:41  |  Ofer Maimon 10/12/07
  6.   Talking to Hamas 14:55  |  Gunnr Heinsohn 10/12/07
  7.   An article long in details & short in correct conclusions. 15:01  |  Akram Zekaria 10/12/07
  8.   Even a congenital idiot.... 15:05  |  Don Camillo 10/12/07
  9.   Bradley - logic 0 - 1 15:05  |  Swiss (Dino) 10/12/07
  10.   Talking to Hamas = betrayal of moderate palestinians 15:14  |  Scientist 10/12/07
  11.   #8 camillo cracks ajoke! which ones are the friends? 15:29  |  victor hardman 10/12/07
  12.   Hamas 15:38  |  ruti 10/12/07
  13.   SORRY BRADLEY 15:39  |  indrajaya 10/12/07
  14.   Fatah vs. Hamas 15:40  |  Sam 10/12/07
  15.   indrajaya, I have to agree with your logic. Let`s keep praying. 15:58  |  Virginia 10/12/07
  16.   I thank Haaretz to print my post 7# may I add 16:00  |  Akram Zekaria 10/12/07
  17.   brainwash the same BS to Americans vis a vis Al Qaida 16:04  |  Joseph E . 10/12/07
  18.   Burstons have alwaysadvocated negotiating with Hitler and Pol Pot 16:12  |  Absolute Sweden 10/12/07
  19.   Well said Sam # 14 16:14  |  Joseph 10/12/07
  20.   I`ll make "peace" with you 16:16  |  Joseph E . 10/12/07
  21.   Bradley,nice sentiments but have you seen the latest reports?The 16:35  |  lakshmi 10/12/07
  22.   Bradley 16:44  |  Yosemite 10/12/07
  23.   The basic error in the Rice-Olmert approach 16:48  |  Tosefta 10/12/07
  24.   In praise of Hamas (for evolution-challenged people) 16:49  |  Tosefta 10/12/07
  25.   i totally agree with transfer as the only solution 16:50  |  realist 10/12/07
  26.   Lakshmi 16:56  |  Lisa 10/12/07
  27.   Hamas must split 17:16  |  dea 10/12/07
  28.   Tosefta, everthing you have written is a lie 17:19  |  McQueen 10/12/07
  29.   #10 scientist ...I agree..... 17:52  |  Lynn 10/12/07
  30.   Joseph E. # 17 17:52  |  Janet 10/12/07
  31.   IF YOU CAN`T KILL, WHY DON`T TALK 17:55  |  indrajaya 10/12/07
  32.   McQueen Tosefta, like Hamas, never evolves 18:12  |  Jasmine Murphy 10/12/07
  33.   Lynn #29 you said all that needs to be said! 18:13  |  S 10/12/07
  34.   Hamas 18:16  |  Franklin 10/12/07
  35.   Lies, and the lying liars who claim them (McQueen #28) 18:21  |  Tosefta 10/12/07
  36.   Bradley`s shuffling of the situation 18:24  |  peter 10/12/07
  37.   Jasmine Thinklittle and evolution #32 18:31  |  Tosefta 10/12/07
  38.   hamas on the ropes 18:32  |  peter 10/12/07
  39.   # 22, YOSEMITE 18:33  |  indrajaya 10/12/07
  40.   Par for the Course - More Burston Silliness 18:33  |  Tod Zuckerman 10/12/07
  41.   Tosefta 18:37  |  Walid 10/12/07
  42.   #2 It takes two 18:42  |  Michael II 10/12/07
  43.   Tosefta 18:44  |  Patricia 10/12/07
  44.   Post my Response for once 18:47  |  Axelrod 10/12/07
  45.   Hey Tosefta- that`s not how evolution works!! 18:52  |  Voice of Reason 10/12/07
  46.   Tosefta 18:53  |  Patricia 10/12/07
  47.   Tosefta`s solution to impasse: insult insult and insist 18:54  |  Jasmine Murphy 10/12/07
  48.   Only An Act of Faith Can Open This Door 18:58  |  Reader 10/12/07
  49.   No 17 Joseph 19:00  |  Mary 10/12/07
  50.   OK Bradley you talk to them, and 19:03  |  Miriam Ashkelon 10/12/07
  51.   Every time I think Israeli media cannot get more idiotic... 19:05  |  Terry 10/12/07
  52.   Respect Murderers and fiends? 19:10  |  Aryeah245 10/12/07
  53.   Ofer Maimon, That`s Not Quite the Spirit of the Thing 19:13  |  Reader 10/12/07
  54.   Gunnr Heinsohn`s Error of Logic 19:17  |  Reader 10/12/07
  55.   Indrajaya 19:17  |  Yosemite 10/12/07
  56.   # 41 Walid.....Hello 19:19  |  Lynn 10/12/07
  57.   26Lisa,not really,they are biding their time,they are not 19:42  |  lakshmi 10/12/07
  58.   Deniers (McQueen, Patricia, Peter the Great, Jasmine Thinklittle) 19:45  |  Tosefta 10/12/07
  59.   # 30 Janet / Canada 19:48  |  Joseph E . 10/12/07
  60.   #13 Lucky for some!! Indy 19:49  |  Joe Moer 10/12/07
  61.   ruti, the cost of doing business 19:50  |  Reader 10/12/07
  62.   Bradley - Taking it too far 19:53  |  ScotGuy 10/12/07
  63.   Olmert`s priorities (Walid #41) 19:54  |  Tosefta 10/12/07
  64.   All posters Compare #13 & #31 19:55  |  Joe Moer 10/12/07
  65.   Tosefta 19:59  |  Patricia 10/12/07
  66.   Tosefa 20:07  |  Patricia 10/12/07
  67.   Why are leftists so obsessed with talking to the Arab enemy? 20:08  |  ExpelThemAll 10/12/07
  68.   Negotiation with Hamas 20:12  |  BML 10/12/07
  69.   Peter, the Shoe WAS on the Other Foot 20:26  |  Reader 10/12/07
  70.   Hamas & Bradley 20:39  |  Mordechai Ben Tzur 10/12/07
  71.   Hamas 21:05  |  P. J. Casey 10/12/07
  72.   # 63 Tosefta...while you are online 21:08  |  Lynn 10/12/07
  73.   Why there can never be peace 21:09  |  Michael Greenberg 10/12/07
  74.   COURAGE MY FRIENDS! 21:10  |  FOX 10/12/07
  75.   Artical All Wrong 21:16  |  Ron 10/12/07
  76.   Hamas` Real Position In Their Own Words 21:24  |  Jeff Northridge 10/12/07
  77.   Why Tossefta supports Hamas 21:24  |  FOX 10/12/07
  78.   #70 Mordechai Ben Tzur 21:25  |  tbora 10/12/07
  79.   Deniers - Likud as denialist as Hamas 21:28  |  Chris 10/12/07
  80.   # 49 Mary @ Ashkelon 21:31  |  Joseph E . post 1 10/12/07
  81.   Joe Moer 21:34  |  Yosemite 10/12/07
  82.   TOSSI FETTA *.* 21:41  |  Ephraim 10/12/07
  83.   Lynn 21:46  |  Walid 10/12/07
  84.   Tosefta 21:53  |  Walid 10/12/07
  85.   Joe Moer Part Two 22:01  |  Ephraim 10/12/07
  86.   illiterate from Edmonton 22:16  |  peter 10/12/07
  87.   FOX #76 I am pretty slow tonight... 22:20  |  S 10/12/07
  88.   #58 Arabist apologist has a fit 22:23  |  peter 10/12/07
  89.   Burston 22:25  |  j10 10/12/07
  90.   # 77 22:30  |  Mordecahi BenTzur 10/12/07
  91.   Jasmine Murphy #47 re: Tosefta 22:34  |  TonyL 10/12/07
  92.   Ahmed Youssef is fringe, not mainstream 22:35  |  Joe Sittizen 10/12/07
  93.   our land your land 22:37  |  dennis 10/12/07
  94.   ephraim ---Gabe1 Best marketing tool for Palestinian 22:55  |  Labhras 10/12/07
  95.   Reader 22:55  |  Pleader 10/12/07
  96.   Rabid Fox on the loose #77 23:01  |  Tosefta 10/12/07
  97.   FOX #76 23:02  |  TonyL 10/12/07
  98.   Hamas 23:15  |  Ralph 10/12/07
  99.   Anyone for a Hudna 23:20  |  Proud Israeli 10/12/07
  100.   Hey S. on a slow news day 23:23  |  FOX 10/12/07
  101.   Bradley Burstein read my lips:If you can kill Hamas,you kill Hama 23:27  |  Genuine Tosefta 10/12/07
  102.   Chamberlain talked to Hitler 23:28  |  Sidney 10/12/07
  103.   #88How many lightbulbs does it take to enlighten Peter the Great? 23:42  |  Tosefta 10/12/07
  104.   Talking 23:44  |  Ed 10/12/07
  105.   Ego controls all 00:01  |  Larry 11/12/07
  106.   Ego controls all Part 2 00:05  |  Larry 11/12/07
  107.   Re Akram #7, 16 00:12  |  Esther 11/12/07
  108.   HAMAS can talk peace starting with Hamas kiddie-Jihad TV. 00:19  |  PETER SM 11/12/07
  109.   Bradley Does Not Respect Hamas 00:34  |  Barry 11/12/07
  110.   FOX. Does this mean Burston is Syrian agent too? 01:04  |  Hubal 11/12/07
  111.   On Hamas-Quassams-Suicide Bombers. 01:22  |  Stephen. 11/12/07
  112.   The left know how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory 01:29  |  Darth Zaider (Ed) 11/12/07
  113.   Talk to hamas 01:31  |  linda 11/12/07
  114.   Bradley Burston just doesn`t get it 01:57  |  Mark Lincoln 11/12/07
  115.   110 Hubal,have you seen pictures of Har Homa?I wonder where they 02:01  |  lakshmi 11/12/07
  116.   I can`t hear Hamas past the sound of the rockets going off 02:15  |  Jason 11/12/07
  117.   S # 87 02:49  |  American in NY 11/12/07
  118.   #103 how many arabist apologists to change a lightbulb 03:15  |  peter 11/12/07
  119.   HUBAL when has Hamas said peaceful coexistence was an option 03:20  |  PETER SM 11/12/07
  120.   This column is proof 04:04  |  Mark Lincoln 11/12/07
  121.   Don`t Worry Peter, Israel Doesn`t Require My Support. 04:07  |  Reader 11/12/07
  122.   Bring it on Hamas 04:16  |  Naji Benaji 11/12/07
  123.   Hamas 04:51  |  geoff 11/12/07
  124.   To Mark Lincoln 05:28  |  David Hoffman 11/12/07
  125.   Mark Lincoln #119 And Hamas Is Honest Enough Too.. 05:35  |  Tim R 11/12/07
  126.   Bradley Burston & Tosefta are somewhat correct in encouraging 06:37  |  Smadar 11/12/07
  127.   To Esther 08:00  |  Choni Davidowitz 11/12/07
  128.   HAMAS IDEOLOGY 1 08:37  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  129.   HAMAS IDEOLOGY 2 08:49  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  130.   Any hope left ? 08:55  |  Alex Ensor 11/12/07
  131.   TO # 49 MARY 09:28  |  The Teacher/Instruct 11/12/07
  132.   Talk is Great, but we have Nothing to Talk About. 09:31  |  Efox 11/12/07
  133.   #18 Absolute Sweden - always negotiate 10:01  |  Rick 11/12/07
  134.   Bradley Burston 10:05  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  135.   Cipora (about Orientalism) 10:43  |  S 11/12/07
  136.   American in NY #117 11:06  |  S 11/12/07
  137.   I agree but... 11:13  |  Hanna Bard 11/12/07
  138.   Cipora Julianna Kohn. #128/9 11:14  |  Hubal 11/12/07
  139.   #132 rick and the wrong solution again 11:18  |  victor hardman 11/12/07
  140.   To the "teacher/instruct 11:20  |  Mary 11/12/07
  141.   #134, S 11:21  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  142.   bradley, the concept and logic of your proposal 11:24  |  eric 11/12/07
  143.   PETER SM #119 11:35  |  Hubal 11/12/07
  144.   Hamas consolidates its coup in Gaza 11:43  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  145.   #136, Hubal 11:54  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  146.   @127 Choni from Durban S.A. 11:55  |  Ari ben Yisrael 11/12/07
  147.   HOW STUPID TALKS... 12:18  |  Atilla Karagözoğlu 11/12/07
  148.   Cipora. You should do stand up. 12:20  |  Hubal 11/12/07
  149.   Cipora again YOU CONFUSE ME! 100 generations 12:26  |  S 11/12/07
  150.   HUBAL Hamas said Recognise but not Bound by resolutions 12:34  |  PETER SM 11/12/07
  151.   Peter SM 13:18  |  Hubal 11/12/07
  152.   Cipora Cipora. 13:27  |  Hubal 11/12/07
  153.   #149, S 13:34  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  154.   HUBAL BBC is hardline? Pro Israel? 13:34  |  PETER SM 11/12/07
  155.   PETER SM 14:04  |  Hubal 11/12/07
  156.   Peter SM - Same as Likud 14:11  |  Chris 11/12/07
  157.   Ari Been Delusional #146 14:20  |  GABE1 11/12/07
  158.   Don`t Talk , Shoot , Deport and Transfer arabs into arabs states 14:21  |  Joseph E . 11/12/07
  159.   Israel MUST talk or die 14:33  |  spyguy 11/12/07
  160.   Ari ben Israel re Dawidowitz 15:23  |  Axelrod 11/12/07
  161.   Walid on the Pals and reliance 15:31  |  Lynn 11/12/07
  162.   # 159 spyguy... 15:34  |  Lynn 11/12/07
  163.   # 155 Hubal...Hamas does not know the first thing 15:45  |  Lynn 11/12/07
  164.   #159 spyguy confirms all arabs to jordan is the solution 15:48  |  victor hardman 11/12/07
  165.   Two choices for Israel in regard to Hamas 15:50  |  Tosefta 11/12/07
  166.   Rick...I saw an interesting video on PRI 15:51  |  Lynn 11/12/07
  167.   # 126 Smadar..the Japanese Gov wants to help build 16:00  |  Lynn 11/12/07
  168.   Lynn #163 16:03  |  Hubal 11/12/07
  169.   # 165 Tosefta...before Israel can talk to Hamas 16:04  |  Lynn 11/12/07
  170.   #130 Alex Ensor - I don`t think so 16:06  |  spyguy 11/12/07
  171.   #153 Cipora really! If you can`t do simple arithmetic 16:09  |  Roo 11/12/07
  172.   #133 Rick - the assumption that the US will 16:13  |  spyguy 11/12/07
  173.   Typos in article 16:20  |  Shlomo 11/12/07
  174.   159 Spyguy...talk or die...if they talk, Hamas will still kill 16:21  |  The Equalizer 11/12/07
  175.   #169 Lynn Dreaming 16:24  |  Tosefta 11/12/07
  176.   #158 & 164 - So exactly how is this "transfer" 16:39  |  spyguy 11/12/07
  177.   #176 spyguy and his usual brain dead replies 16:50  |  victor hardman 11/12/07
  178.   #176 spyguy and his usual brain dead replies 16:50  |  victor hardman 11/12/07
  179.   I don`t normally respond to hardhead, but 17:08  |  spyguy 11/12/07
  180.   Cipora third try (censured???) 17:27  |  S 11/12/07
  181.   "talk to Hamas"? Why?? To legitimize it completely? 17:45  |  felix 11/12/07
  182.   180 What a profound message. We are all impressed. 18:52  |  Robin 11/12/07
  183.   Handle Hamas Per Fatah`s Handling of Hamas 18:52  |  Jane 11/12/07
  184.   #172 spyguy, Stop disparaging USA 19:29  |  Sidney 11/12/07
  185.   #167 Lynn Economic assistance fruitful, but Palestinian politics 19:36  |  Smadar 11/12/07
  186.   Love your enemy ! 20:10  |  James 11/12/07
  187.   To Hubal Regarding Bradley 20:14  |  FOX 11/12/07
  188.   Numbers for Martians and Archeologists 20:14  |  Tosefta 11/12/07
  189.   #165, Tosefta- Third Choice Is Not To Negotiate Our Own Suicide 20:30  |  dyinglikeflies 11/12/07
  190.   # 183 Jane...Abass...BUT JANE,I AM TOO WEAK TO DO AS YOU SAY!! 20:44  |  JOSH 11/12/07
  191.   #180, S 21:17  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  192.   Look at the Hamas Charter 21:22  |  Uzziel 11/12/07
  193.   #179, spyguy 21:36  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  194.   CHRIS Likud is not the elected government,they were voted out 22:15  |  PETER SM 11/12/07
  195.   BEHIND THE SCENES 22:35  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  196.   James Love your enemy 22:37  |  Jasmine Murphy 11/12/07
  197.   #188, Tosefta and his birds 22:54  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 11/12/07
  198.   #186 James and great advice! 22:55  |  Alicia 11/12/07
  199.   Spyguy #172 23:05  |  Neal 11/12/07
  200.   HUBAL Yes Egypt TV has been well beyond the Pale 23:09  |  PETER SM 11/12/07
  201.   Ancient wisdom for Cipora J. Kohn #197 23:39  |  Mars H. Mallow 11/12/07
  202.   A few simple questions for CJK 23:53  |  spyguy 11/12/07
  203.   Spyguy - Sorry to wake you up 23:54  |  17 11/12/07
  204.   Why dont we? 00:38  |  Avram 12/12/07
  205.   FRUITLESS TALKS 01:11  |  George 12/12/07
  206.   # 189 dyinglikeflies..What is the point in responding to that one 02:35  |  Kathy 12/12/07
  207.   For Mars H. Mallow # 201 on ancient wisdom 03:11  |  Darth Zaider (Ed) 12/12/07
  208.   #139 victor - you`re imagining solutions that never will exist 03:40  |  Rick 12/12/07
  209.   Letters,promises,hints do have meanings,but 03:52  |  TOMY 12/12/07
  210.   #27 Dea 04:31  |  Fadhil 12/12/07
  211.   The same dream. The same nonsense 04:34  |  Chick 12/12/07
  212.   #166 Dear Lynn - Pals have right to remain 04:35  |  Rick 12/12/07
  213.   #172 spyguy 04:57  |  Rick 12/12/07
  214.   For Spyguy # 202, a history sudent from the University of Holywoo 05:31  |  Darth Zaider (Ed) 12/12/07
  215.   David Hoffman 05:55  |  Mark Lincoln 12/12/07
  216.   No, Tim, anyone paying attention 06:00  |  Mark Lincoln 12/12/07
  217.   Thank you Joseph "E." 06:03  |  Mark Lincoln 12/12/07
  218.   #202, the crystalball of historical determination 06:22  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/12/07
  219.   #120, Mark Lincoln, let`s talk about fabrications 07:06  |  Cipora Julianna Kohn 12/12/07
  220.   Mark Lincoln #216 A Question to You .. 07:21  |  Tim R 12/12/07
  221.   A ceasefire would allow Hamas to consolidate power 07:58  |  B 12/12/07
  222.   #208 rick needs to read 242 more carefully asit applies to jordan 08:06  |  victor hardman 12/12/07
  223.   #201 Tosefta as the not so mellow philosopher 09:17  |  Marsh maiden 12/12/07
  224.   B #221 Actually I Would Recommend Acceptance of A Hudna 09:27  |  Tim R 12/12/07
  225.   Mark L-The Pseudo intellectual.Please respond 09:30  |  Abraham 12/12/07
  226.   B. Hamas did that already? #221 13:51  |  Hubal 12/12/07
  227.   Offer of dialogue with US/EU but no offer of dialogue with Israel 14:38  |  Realist 12/12/07
  228.   If negotiating with moderates gets us nowhere... 15:50  |  Gili 12/12/07
  229.   Just a trial: does this thing work??? 16:45  |  S 12/12/07
  230.   S & Cipora, Hamas evolution 16:56  |  American in NY 12/12/07
  231.   American in NY #230 I am tired of Haaretz`s handling my posts 19:30  |  S 12/12/07
  232.   Bradley should be brave 23:14  |  anon 12/12/07
  233.   # 217 Mark Lincoln @ Houston / Texas 23:20  |  Joseph E . post 1 12/12/07
  234.   # 217 Mark Lincoln @ Houston / Texas 23:23  |  Joseph E . post 2 12/12/07
  235.   Arab League is in a state of crisis 23:42  |  Joseph E . 12/12/07
  236.   S # 231 hamas and friends 00:19  |  American in NY 13/12/07
  237.   Ahmed, the two-tongued 00:56  |  Diane 13/12/07
  238.   Joesph E. Joseph E. 233 You represent the best that Israel 03:02  |  American in NY 13/12/07
  239.   #31 - Indrajaya 04:58  |  Deborah 13/12/07
  240.   #172 - Spyguy 05:07  |  Deborah 13/12/07
  241.   Tosefta 188 (I lost count of tries) 08:32  |  S 13/12/07
  242.   #222 victor hardman reads the hebrew version of res 242 09:25  |  Johnboy 13/12/07
  243.   American in NY #236 10:34  |  S 13/12/07
  244.   dyinglikeflies #189 Negotiations And Tactics 12:25  |  Tim R 13/12/07
  245.   S # 243 So where to from here? 16:03  |  American in NY 13/12/07
  246.   Hamas 19:02  |  Jerry 13/12/07
  247.   American in NY #245 where to from here? Too early to say. 19:31  |  S 13/12/07
  248.   # 238 American in NY 22:16  |  Joseph E . post 1 13/12/07
  249.   # 238 American in NY 22:19  |  Joseph E . post 2 13/12/07
  250.   #8, Don Camillo 02:09  |  Kaelinda 14/12/07
  251.   Tim R # 244 The Yoda Cyber Hero ( in his fantasy) 02:33  |  American in NY 14/12/07
  252.   Pansy (He) Bitch in NY #251 And His Sad Histrionics.. 07:32  |  Tim R 14/12/07
  253.   To American in NY following my #247 09:02  |  S 14/12/07
  254.   # 239, DEBORAH 18:59  |  indrajaya 14/12/07
  255.   Hamas letter is laughable 20:28  |  JJ 14/12/07
  256.   #254 - Indrajaya 00:01  |  Deborah 15/12/07
  257.   Timmy the Yodelling Yoda (and how) your slip is showing 01:13  |  American in NY 15/12/07
  258.   American in NY Or Should I Say Annie? 02:25  |  Tim R 15/12/07
  259.   American in NY late addendum 08:22  |  S 17/12/07
  260.   Indrajaya 17:45  |  Shechinah 17/12/07
  261.   Israelis, dont talk. 20 yrs laters, there will be 1 state soln 17:49  |  omolll 17/12/07
  262.   A Reminder To People Who Don`t See The Endgame. (Part 1 of 2) 01:30  |  Tim R 18/12/07
  263.   A Reminder To People Who Don`t See The Endgame. (Part 2 of 2) 01:34  |  Tim R 18/12/07
  264.   Talk about WHAT??? 12:15  |  Ofer Maimon 18/12/07
  265.   S # 259 Hudna or nothing 01:02  |  American in NY 19/12/07
  266.   American in NY #265 try, try again... 17:01  |  S 19/12/07
  267.   Tosefta...you wrong, my owner love Parmenides 17:35  |  Ugy the she camel 09/01/08
  268.   Israel Hamas "Diplomatic Negotiations" 05:01  |  Ronald W. Ginson 13/01/08
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